John McWhorter wrote a piece in the City Paper http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_3_how_hip_hop.html a few years back about hip-hop, and that’s what I want to talk about today.
Most of it is poorly aimed, ill-considered boilerplate. McWhorter criticizes Grandmaster Flash’s “The Message” for its bleak lyrical tone, but cuts off the verse he quotes before getting to the “punch line,” in which Melle Mel warns the listener not to turn to crime, that it’s not glamorous, and that it brings nothing but destruction. “The Message” is actually one of the best examples of rap’s potential for imparting lessons, but McWhorter (possibly on purpose) misses that.
However, he does make one reasonable point:
>Many writers and thinkers see a kind of informed political engagement, even a revolutionary potential, in rap and hip-hop. They couldn’t be more wrong. By reinforcing the stereotypes that long hindered blacks, and by teaching young blacks that a thuggish adversarial stance is the properly “authentic” response to a presumptively racist society, rap retards black success.
Later, McWhorter returns to this theme, writing,
>Seeing a privileged star like Sean Combs behave like a street thug tells those kids that there’s nothing more authentic than ghetto pathology, even when you’ve got wealth beyond imagining.
This is a legitimate criticism. The hyper-materialism, the sexism, and the portrayal of violence as a first response to any perceived threat to one’s dignity are all poisonous memes that have circulated through hip-hop for at least ten years, and are now the dominant messages of the music. Yes, there are rappers whose lyrics are not concerned with the flaunting of wealth and the destruction of one’s enemies in order to gain further wealth, but they are the exception that proves the rule. If the dominant mode of the music was not so grotesque, the few semi-rational alternatives would not stand out in such sharp relief.
McWhorter also criticizes the academic embrace of hip-hop, and I agree with him about that. There is little or no value, as far as I can see, in constructing a college course around the study of hip-hop, unless it’s to undertake a systemic criticism of the music and its attendant culture. I don’t think that’s likely to be the case, though—the present condition of cultural studies suggests that any course on hip-hop is likely to be a Well-Meaning-White-Person blowjob session, in which Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls will be fellated from beyond the grave. I really don’t foresee a class in which the major topic of discussion is the destructive potential of describing (and selling) pimping as a hip lifestyle choice to 10-year-olds.
It’s not that I’m disappointed in hip-hop’s failure to articulate a genuinely revolutionary position. I don’t think it’s the place of schlocky pop records (which is what hip-hop is) to do that kind of thing. I suppose my biggest problem with hip-hop is its critical reception. If it were granted the same level of respect from highbrow quarters that death metal gets (that is to say, none), I’d have no beef. But the idea that the hostile, deliberately ugly, violent, fantasy-driven music of black kids from the ghetto is somehow inherently more worthwhile than the hostile, deliberately ugly, violent, fantasy-driven music of white kids from the suburbs is, well, racist.
Maybe that’s part of it. If I was conspiracy-minded enough, maybe I could convince myself that the white embrace of hip-hop culture, and the glamorization/promotion of same, is part of a large-scale plan to destroy the black community even more than it’s been damaged already. Sell them on the idea that crime and promiscuity and an attitude that all personal interaction should be greeted with an attitude of pre-emptive hostility/paranoia is a good thing, a cool thing, the way “real” black folks behave, and shazam! You’ve created an unemployable class of poor folks you can push around! About the only thing that keeps me from believing this is the relentless marketing of hip-hop to white kids.
I’ve discussed my problems with hip-hop as a music (that its dominance is detrimental to black music in the long term, because it discourages the playing of actual instruments) before, so I’ll skip that. I’ll just let the rambling above be it for today. Feel free to yell at me in the comments.
Today’s CDs:
The Black Dahlia Murder, Unhallowed
Children Of Bodom, Hatecrew Deathroll
John Coltrane, Settin’ The Pace
Miles Davis, Filles De Kilimanjaro
Miles Davis, Black Beauty: Miles Davis At Fillmore West
Exhumed, Anatomy Is Destiny
Mahavishnu Orchestra, The Inner Mounting Flame
Monster Magnet, Superjudge
Nebula, Atomic Ritual
Wayne Shorter, Super Nova
Cecil Taylor, Indent






9 responses to Is Hip Hop Bad For Black Culture?
i totally disagreee
this is garbage with extra onions
Hip Hop Artists are cheerleaders for the Drug Dealers and Gang Bangers on teh south side of Chicago. They are no longer “keeping it real” they are now “cheering it on”.
Many Hip Hop artists knowingly sell out the Black Communities to make a fast buck. They have become cheerleaders for everything negative. Imagine JayZ, Emimem and the Kanye with a cheerleaders outfit and Pom Poms cheering on adult gang leaders and drug dealers on the sidelines (Chicago Streets) as these creeps influence our youth to destroy each other. Its not a far reach.
The recent cell video shot by the passerby in the murder of a Chicago Student last week should have had background music from the artists mentioned above.
As a father and a businessman in Chicago, who grew up on the South Side, I can understand why young men would be attracted to the images in most Hip Hop videos and messages on the CD’s. Young men want to feel powerful and attractive to the opposite sex. Ok I get it, but when you cant find young men to employ because of fashion hangups or expressed attitudes and postures that they imitate from the Videos or when you have to drive your teen to and from school to avoid beat downs then the marketing (videos) have become pornagraphic.
These cheerleader artists are strangely silent when the side effects of their messages are caught on video.
The game is over please stop.
Is Hip Hop Bad For Black Culture?
It is clearly Bad, but It is not just bad for the black culture it is bad for all culture. All gernre’s of the music industry are mostly owned by the same peole. It is very clear the main goal is promoting subversive anti-christian values. Atleast if money was the main goal there would be more talent in the so called “game”. I believe all forms of media are headed in the same direction, and they will just say they are following the path of society, I know it is the other way around though.
If you allow that message to raise your children they will not be your children, unless of course that message raised you.
Oh yeah and many of the “gansters” you see “pimpin” on TV are homosexuals in real life careful who you idolize.
Peace and Love.
Is Hip Hop Bad For Black Culture?
Unfortunately for the people who refuse to see this, hip-hop and especially the rap sub-genre (yes they’re different) are extremely detrimental to black culture. It is the culture of violence, substance abuse and irresponsibility that prevents black culture from being respected among the myriad of cultures in the United States.
And it also stereotypes an entire people. What bigger crime is there than having a man who in no way emphasizes the hip-hop culture ideals stereotyped because 3/4 of his neighbors do?
Rap and hip-hop are both garbage. It promotes the same mindless bleating of “i have money” and “i got bitches” that every song promotes. For the sake of African Americans everywhere I hope rap is rubbed out in the next few decades so that they may advance and stop being kept down by their cultural moguls who get rich off the misfortune of black Americans as a whole.
Is Hip Hop Bad For Black Culture?
Hip hop Isn’t all about misogynistic narcissist.
For the people who agree-You’re getting it twisted-
First off do you know anything about hip hop? besides the garbage that’s on the radio/tv 99% of the time?Ask any Modern day MC if he likes to see this subject on the news for,Hell,A week.Wack Hip hop is embarassing for everyone apart of it.
There is a market for everything man
There is a market for pet psychologists.
There is a market for twisted
shitfetish video’s. For nipple rings, for riverdancing, for chocolate cupboard roaches..
But you can’t find one for cultured hardcore reality and hiphop?
People Like you are what help give hip hop a bad name when pulling up some bullshit study saying it provokes violence…
It’s sad that the wack hip hop gets more attention just becuz it’s more appealing to the youth/target consumer and therefore gets more publicity just cuz the artist is either beloved or controversial.There’s good music and hip hop everywhere/But shit overlaps and then the next thing you know there’s fake MC’s everywhere.
Most garbage is in the mainstream but there’s still garbage underground music.
Hell,Do you fuckers know ANYTHING about music?
I’m A 15 year old Black Male And I like Hip hop,Rock,Techno,Glitch hop,Metal,RnB,etc.
You Know What?I’ll give you a list of good hip hop.
Phi Life Cypher-Free
Royce Da 5’9-Gone(Return of Malcolm)
7L & Esoteric-Jealous over Nothing
Outerspace-The Killing Fields(Feat Vinny Paz)
Reef The lost Cauze-This is My life
Celph Titled-F-L-A Team
Jedi Mind Tricks-Trail Of Lies
Diabolic-Yall Don’t Know
Immortal Technique-Reverse Pimpology
Del The Funkee Homosapien-Memory Loss
Task Force-Little Miss Waterworks
La Coka Nostra-I’m An american
Savage Bros-Trapped On Earth
Sicknature-Bring Back the raw Hip hop
Snowgoons-Teacher’s Trademark
Army of the pharaohs-Into The arms of Angels
Non Phixion-Futurama
Divine Rights-Rhymes Are a joke
Marco Polo & torae-Lifetime
MF doom-Sofa King(Remix)
Apathy & Celph Titled-Maybe
ILL Bill-Trust Nobody
Black The Ripper- Anti-Depressants
Is Hip Hop Bad For Black Culture?
many people say hip hop is bad, but have anyone ever thought parents can take responsability. you see grown white men go on random killing spree’s more then you’d here a black person doing it, im pretty sure the white man didn’t get inspiration from a hip hop song. rave is another type of music that don’t even have lyrics but is still known for taking deadly drugs… don’t hear that being bad. I seen rave parties turn into riot and stampedes of drug out people… Majority white.
Is Hip Hop Bad For Black Culture?
I am assuming the only hip-hop you listen too, and I am cringing as I call it hip hop, is the likes of Lil Wayne, 50 cent etc. This is clearly the most misinformed and judgmental article I have read for a very long time. Please, go listen to some real hip-hop or just admit, you don’t like the sound of it so you wont listen to any of it objectively.
Everyone that made a comment about hip hop being BAD can really kiss my ass….u guys sound like some stuck up racist white people that really needs a wake up call…all hip hop isnt all bad and the music that is considered to be bad is getting more attention then the good in hip hop….for the guy who mentioned kanye and jay z u sound real stupid im guessin u never heard jesus walks by kanye or hard knock life by jay z u need to stop being a racist pig and open your eyes and realize how stupid u just made yourself look…!!!
Is Hip Hop Bad For Black Culture?
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